And these people and jobs and places and houses and things are just simply a conduit that God has used to deliver his lesson to us. Then you dropped down back to 75 and then you sit on that. I’ve found a lot more fruitfulness in my life by helping other church planters than I ever was as I did as a church planter myself. And the hard part I’ve retraced, as you can imagine, every decision I’ve made in the week leading up to her death. God is both loving and just.

It’s good to have you as a friend all these years. And I knew the call to Virginia Beach was still valid. JOSH TURANSKY: Today’s episode of the church planting podcast is sponsored by New City Network, the Church Planting Ministry of McClain Bible.

Did you want to share that? But when you believed a person is the source of your blessing, when that person’s taken away, it does lead you to despair. And we’re left to deal with all the mess.” “He’s in paradise and we’re living through hell.” “It’s just not fair.” And what that was doing was subtly making suicide seem like this entry or this gateway or this, “Wow! It goes back to hurting as intense as it did when you sprained it before. Clint you, in this episode, sit down with a Pastor who had a wife who committed suicide.

I don’t throw out Satan’s name and I don’t talk about you know; the devil made me do it.

That this life is about nothing more than establishing and growing and sharing a loving relationship with Jesus Christ that I’ll enjoy for all eternity. They’ve got an idea for a book rolling around the back of their minds somewhere or something that’s kind of percolating for a long time and they don’t quite know what to do with. STEVE SWISHER: But probably the most profound understanding came from when Jesus goes to Lazarus tomb.

CLINT CLIFTON: Did you guys have children? And she ended up calling a friend of hers who was indeed the most destructive person she knew who was already in the midst of destroying her own life in different ways. Better than a 90% chance that she would be fine, if not they could do a liver transplant and she’d be fine. And in a military town, every church planter I think goes through this.

STEVE SWISHER: And so, we kind of went back to the drawing board, met with our trustees who came to my house and talked about shutting the church down and I said you know, “If all we’re going to do is giveaway our assets, what if we took these assets and start a new church?” And so, I cast the vision then for Essential church at the end of 2008. She had some issues from her childhood that kept coming back. And there’s a great picture of my wife and I.

Mostly prescription pain killer hyper addictions.

JOSH TURANSKY: Hey welcome to the Church Planting Podcast! I was able to talk to her counselor after she passed away, that she’d been seeing for the past 2 years here in Virginia Beach.

But what does that matter now? Something like that. And every church has a different goal. How old is Essential? And if we’re honest, it can just be overwhelming for a pastor. If you’re really doing your job, you’re really a first responder.

There’s a lot going on in mental health and people are thinking about this because of that as well.

STEVE SWISHER: That’s what mental illness a lot of times.

Mike, what were you saying about that? MICHAEL CRAWFORD: Absolutely!

Like, “Hey! And that sexual addiction moved towards a drug addiction and that was her coping mechanism. STEVE SWISHER: We have 3 children. And in my situation, I could see that sort of gradual move towards seeing suicide in a more positive light over time. STEVE SWISHER: Essential is, gosh all this hard questions of the bat, 11 years old but it came out of New Hope so I’ve been here since ’05. But he, as you’ll see, really did get vulnerable and into the weave with us. One of the characteristics of all loving relationships is that we want to do what pleases the one we love. I would say to my kids something I would always say.

You already planted multiples.

She was my comfort. And it went well as well as you could imagine. Small groups allow us the ability and opportunity to do life together with other people. Through a small group setting, one is able to dig deeper into the Bible and grow in their relationship with God, while fostering and growing relationship with people in a community of believers.

What you see is that you see them as the source. Steve shares some helpful insights for ministry families struggling with mental health issues and also advis Justice demands that the consequences of sin be met. And from a distance, watched you walk through this so congratulations to God’s sustaining grace in our lives when we go to tragedies. Yet everything that was talked that morning, I don’t know whether the message was on Godly principles and marriage or finances or whatever else it may have been. Now that’s just funny to think that there’s an easy route in church planting. Josh Turansky produced todays show. She actually had to see her biological father who was the source of the abuse at the funeral.

“The rock’s not the source of the blessing. Yes. Again, thanks Steve!

Given empty store shelves, the church came up with a creative outreach -- a much-needed toilet paper drive. STEVE SWISHER: I wish I could tell you the day that I sort of made that turn. Small Groups will usually consist of a time for fellowship, worship, biblical study, and prayer. And it was from that original Easter message from 2012 and I may have quoted it again in that message you heard. "And so we made the decision, like many churches have to suspend all public gatherings as we join together with social distancing.". And that was sort of like that inciting incident, like stepping on a rock funny on your ankle. Very high number.

I am.”.

We started churches around the same time and in the same network. I said, “But I don’t want to die a slow death as a church and I wouldn’t want to slow death as a person.

"We had a lady with an autoimmune issue, and she can't go stock up on supplies, so we bought her some over the counter medicines, we brought her some food," said Swisher.



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